Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Talking Torture in the Whitehouse





Tue, April 15, 2008 - 12:32 AM

No surprise, and as Andrew Sullivan says, the fact that Bush and Cheney and the other high level trolls who make up the current ruling junta sat around thinking up ways to torture prisoners to the extent that then Attorney General Ashcroft remarked that maybe they shouldn't be having these discussions in the White House, is no where near as important as Barack Obama making an off the cuff remark that people who have been out of work in middle America for 25 years are bitter so they "cling" to their religion and their guns.

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/th...tml

We'll see if this story is buried. Unfortunately, I suspect the terror alert level will be raised if people start paying attention.




3 Comments

Nicole aka ~technopatra~


Tue, April 15, 2008 - 9:05 AM
My fear is that they will successfully shift majority public opinion to accept their party line that it was all necessary to ensue or safety. They MUST be tried for war crimes.

Bobzilla


Tue, April 15, 2008 - 2:05 PM
Those guys are PURE EVIL.

Tim Black


Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:37 AM
By signing off on clearly illegal actions they show that they expect no one to call them on it. This shows that the criminals at the top of our government genuinely believe they are above the law. Bush has shown over and over that he will redefine any law he dislikes with a stroke of his pen. So we KNOW that the entire gang are thugs and thieves, but what if they are also right about being above it all? What if their control is already so tight that they really have nothing to worry about. If this passes out of sight without anyone going on trial, I'm afraid the cout de ta is already over and the bastards have won.

The Lone Gunman State




Fri, February 22, 2008 - 3:25 PM

I wonder sometimes, if the Bushies have any intention of allowing a real election, even if they're handing over the chicken house to McCain.

And I LOVED this Bush quote in the paper on Wednesday regarding Cuba.

"This transition ought to lead to free and fair elections -- and I mean free and I mean fair, not these kind of staged elections that the Castro brothers try to foist off as being true democracy."

Good God that'd be hilarious if the George W. and brother Jeb's stolen 2000 Florida election hadn't brought about so much pain and wasted opportunities.

And there's rumblings about this from the Star-Telegram Feb. 21, 2008

"DALLAS -- Security details at Barack Obama's rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.

The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security.

Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department's homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order -- apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service -- was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena's vacant seats before Obama came on.

"Sure," said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the great number of people who had gotten into the building without being checked. But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a "friendly crowd."

The Secret Service did not return a call from the Star-Telegram seeking comment.

Doors opened to the public at 10 a.m., and for the first hour security officers scanned each person who came in and checked their belongings in a process that kept movement of the long lines at a crawl. Then, about 11 a.m., an order came down to allow the people in without being checked.

Several Dallas police officers said it worried them that the arena was packed with people who got in without even a cursory inspection.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the order was made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the event.

"How can you not be concerned in this day and age," said one policeman."

www.star-telegram.com/dallas_...413.html - image & story
www.star-telegram.com/dallas_...920.html

True, it may not have been a big deal, but it creeps me out and I'll feel a lot better when our candidates are out of Texas.

rambling politics




Fri, February 15, 2008 - 9:31 PM

I'm giving less of a fuck recently about what was with me if you care. Politics does that to me. Walking a lot around San Francisco gets me all hard. Makes me wonder why the fuck I waste time writing a goddamned blog. Makes me wonder what the fuck anything matters. Everything is fucking birthday party or disjointed opportunity to piss on another post. Fuck em whoever "em" are. It's like mailing meat to someone after leaving the meat out for a couple days so the flies can lay eggs in it and when the recipient of the meat opens your package a bonnet of flies buzz out. I think that was a Monte Cazazza vs. Genesis P-Orridge thing... I kind of remember it.

I’ve been writing down the game. It takes a while to gather all the synchronicities. I’ll post those this weekend.

I walked on, listening to Tupac Shakur, where he says:

“....
And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh
...
Well hey, well that's the way it is”

Fuckin poetry. Wish he was around to see the possibility of a Barack in the White House.

At the Hotel Utah tonight…. Graffiti in the bathroom: Oh, Ba, Ma self.
And a communist friend of mine calls Barack an Obama-Nation.

Once the primary is done, we’ll see what the Swiftboaters can do with Barack Obama. Expect shit like, “I hear he got sworn in as senator on the Koran” and “I hear he went to one of those Madrasa schools” and “He’s the Most LIBERAL member of the Senate, ever.”

Yea. I’ll bet he can stand up to the lies too. I hope he's sincere. I think he is. I'd love to see the hateful racists fucktards shit their pants when we've got our first Black President. I hope they quake and gnash teeth and fucking lose their minds. I hope their fucking heads explode because they're dinosaurs from an ignorant dying reality and they had their time to fuck shit up (even though they were just patsies for the rich who USED them to loot the government, but they're too stupid to realize that).

Hey, at least he isn't a woman, huh you fucking assholes? Fuck You republican right wing dumbasses, really. We'll clean up your mess so get out of the way.

I think people are fucking sick of the plunder of the last 7 years. I just hope the Bush team doesn’t have a terrorist attack in the hopper, let it happen in September, and they’re ready in time to install martial law and an election postponement.

Was that a test in Pakistan, with Benazir Bhutto? To see what a populace who are disgusted with a corrupt government are willing to do when their candidate is killed by the system?

I’ll say it again, I just hope they've looted the treasury enough and that they’ve got enough money to let someone who actually gives a fuck about our country run it for a while. They can steal the election in 8 years, after someone’s fixed things, avoided a revolution.

Things have to get really bad before people start fucking voting. Things have to get really bad before people start taking notice of what the “leaders” are doing. Is it possible we’ve gotten bad enough? I hope we don’t have to move into a corporate/religious, pure unapologetic fascist state before things get bad enough for the people to take back the power.

Because, if the Republicans win or steal this election, the great American Dream is over.

We may as well have a fucking king, cause we’re all fucking serfs.

And to anyone who says whoever is in power doesn’t matter, all the dead for oil, all the money they’ve stolen, all the environmental carnage and pure greed driven decisions, all the ignoring the constitution, all the criminal shit they continue doing, well, look at the toads Bush stacked into the Supreme Court. You think Hillary or Barack are going to put roundhead puritans in like Roberts or Scalia or Thomas? No, they won’t. They’ll put in people who respect the constitution, people who aren’t lapdogs for a right wing ideology.

Fuck’s sake. I want to puke, seeing what they’ve done to our country. I want them in prison. I want them gone. I want our country to get closer to what it can be, even if it isn’t perfect, we could take it back from these corporate raiders, I still believe it’s possible.

But maybe I’m really dead, just living an illusion. May be when I wake up, I’ll realize that they’ve won and hope was just a fucking fleeting dream that kept us all from taking up arms to overthrow our oppressors.

I hope that isn’t the case.



Tim Black


Sat, February 16, 2008 - 1:04 PM
I think we (as a nation) are headed for a economic train wreak. The current fools will not stop raiding until the credit is gone and currency is as worthless as post war Germany. This is one reason we practice reuse, self-sufficiency and barter. Because in a few years, that is how we all will be living. I don't believe anything will stop this now. As burners we are used to having a party in the leftovers and wreckage of "normal" life. This is in fact training for the future. When a wound is big enough, it's only a matter of time before the body dies. We are not dead, but America (as we have know it) is dead. (We have NO money, only a crushing debt, the entire income tax no longer covers the interest payments.) The abuse of power and destruction of this nations wealth is a mortal wound. it just hasn't stopped twitching yet.

Three states for Obama this weekend




Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:14 AM

In case you thought it was over, it isn't

Here you go:

"Obama won the Nebraska and Washington caucuses by greater than two-to-one margins against Senator Hillary Clinton and easily captured the Louisiana primary by a double-digit margin with heavy support among African-American voters. Obama also swamped Clinton in the US Virgin Islands caucuses. But because of the proportional awarding of delegates in the Democratic contests, the two contenders remain locked in a close battle for the 2,025 delegates needed to secure the party's nomination."

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Obama sweeps races

By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff
Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor February 10, 2008 12:43 AM

WASHINGTON -- Senator Barack Obama scored a clean sweep in Saturday's Democratic nominating contests from the West Coast to the Caribbean, giving him a burst of momentum in a Democratic campaign where every delegate has become crucial to capturing the nomination.

On the Republican side, a defiant Mike Huckabee easily won the GOP caucuses in Kansas and was projected as the narrow winner in the Louisiana primary, picking up support from social conservatives to best his party's front-runner, Senator John McCain, and giving a breath of life to the former Arkansas governor's uphill campaign. Huckabee and McCain were locked in a race that was too close to call early today in the Washington state caucuses.

Obama won the Nebraska and Washington caucuses by greater than two-to-one margins against Senator Hillary Clinton and easily captured the Louisiana primary by a double-digit margin with heavy support among African-American voters. Obama also swamped Clinton in the US Virgin Islands caucuses. But because of the proportional awarding of delegates in the Democratic contests, the two contenders remain locked in a close battle for the 2,025 delegates needed to secure the party's nomination.

"We won north, we won south, we won in between,'' a jubilant Obama told a Democratic Party dinner last night in Virginia. "And I believe we can win Virginia,'' he added to cheers and shouts of "Yes, we can!'' his campaign mantra.

The attention now moves to Maine, where Democrats will hold caucuses today, and to Tuesday's "Potomac Primary,'' in which Maryland, Virginia, and the District of Columbia will hold primaries. Obama is leading in polls in Virginia and Maryland, and is expected to win in the District, so the Clinton campaign is banking heavily on wins in bigger states next month to keep her in the running.

While the Obama campaign celebrated, the Clinton camp sought to downplay Obama's successes last night, even before the votes were counted. "The Obama campaign has dramatically outspent our campaign in these three states, saturating the airwaves with 30 and 60 second ads,"' the campaign said in a memo to reporters. "Although the next several states that hold nominating contests this month are more favorable to the Obama campaign, we will continue to compete in them and hope to secure as many delegates as we can before the race turns to Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania.''

The Illinois senator has done overwhelmingly well among black voters, helping him score victories in the South and giving him an edge in the primaries coming up Tuesday. But Clinton has done very well among Latinos voters -- capturing California largely because of the two-thirds of the Hispanic vote there she received -- and her campaign expects the New York lawmaker to have an advantage in Texas because of the Latino vote there.

Heading into yesterday's contests, Clinton held a small lead over Obama in the delegate count, 1,055 to 998, according to an Associated Press tally, which includes the results of primaries and caucuses, plus a survey of unpledged "superdelegates." But Obama's campaign said last night that after his wins, he leads Clinton by about 70 delegates among those awarded in actual contests.

Obama can also claim wins in the popular vote in 18 states to 10 states for Clinton -- with votes still being counted in New Mexico from Tuesday. Clinton also won in Florida and Michigan, but those delegates are not being counted because the states broke party rules to move up their primaries. National polls show the two deadlocked.


www.boston.com/news/polit...eps_ra.html
www.latimes.com/news/natio...97845.story

image: woodburydems.com/blog/uplo...731285.jpg

Why do I like this guy?




Fri, February 8, 2008 - 11:33 PM

and think he'd be a great president? Looks like a lot of other people like him too. Was Oprah behind all this? He gives a good speech, you gotta give him that.

Watch this.

www.dipdive.com/

"we've been told we cannot do this..."

"..there's something happening in America,
that we are not as divided as our politics suggest.

That we are one people.
that we are one Nation and that together we will begin the next great chapter in the American story with three words that will ring from coast to coast, from sea to shining sea,

Yes We Can."

...

damn..

If you think you can know a person by their words, if you can feel them by the way they speak, if you can believe them, even when you're watching them on television or the internet, and if you think they're the right choice to fix all that's been destroyed, well..

You should check this out.

And, this was an interesting editorial in the SFChronic today.

I hadn't read his stuff before en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sirota
but I found this interesting and worth a read. He makes a good point about the Clinton machine (and don't get me wrong, I thought Bill did a great job and Hill would probably do that same if she could get elected) but his point is - You mention class and we'll talk about race.

The Democrats' class war

David Sirota, Creators Syndicate, Inc.
Friday, February 8, 2008

or all the hype about generational and gender wars in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary, we have a class war on our hands. And incredibly, corporate America's preferred candidate is winning the poorer "us" versus the wealthier "them" - a potentially decisive trend with the contest now moving to working-class bastions like Ohio and Pennsylvania.

In most states, polls show Hillary Clinton is beating Barack Obama among voters making $50,000 a year or less - many of whom say the economy is their top concern. Yes, the New York senator who appeared on the cover of Fortune magazine as Big Business's candidate is winning economically insecure, lower-income communities over the Illinois senator who grew up as an organizer helping those communities combat unemployment. This absurd phenomenon is a product of both message and bias.

Obama has let Clinton characterize the 1990s as a nirvana, rather than a time that sowed the seeds of our current troubles. He barely criticizes the Clinton administration for championing job-killing trade agreements. He does not question that same administration's role in deregulating the financial industry and thereby intensifying today's boom-bust catastrophes. And he rarely points out what McClatchy Newspapers reported this week: that Clinton spent most of her career at a law firm "where she represented big companies and served on corporate boards," including Wal-Mart's.

Obama hasn't touched any of this for two reasons.

First, his campaign relies on corporate donations. Though Obama certainly is less industry-owned than Clinton, the Washington Post noted last spring that he was the top recipient of Wall Street contributions. That cash is hush money, contingent on candidates silencing their populist rhetoric.

But while this pressure to keep quiet affects all politicians, it is especially intense against black leaders.

"If Obama started talking like John Edwards and tapped into working-class, blue-collar proletarian rage, suddenly all of those white voters who are viewing him within the lens of transcendence would start seeing him differently," says Charles Ellison of the University of Denver's Center for African American Policy.

That's because once Obama parroted Edwards' attacks on greed and inequality, he would "be stigmatized as a candidate mobilizing race," says Manning Marable, a Columbia University history professor. That is, the media would immediately portray him as another Jesse Jackson - a figure whose progressivism has been (unfairly) depicted as racial politics anathema to white swing voters.

Remember, this is always how power-challenging African Americans are marginalized. The establishment cites a black leader's race- and class-unifying populism as supposed proof of his or her radical, race-centric views. An extreme example of this came from the FBI, which labeled Martin Luther King Jr. "the most dangerous man in America" for talking about poverty. More typical is the attitude exemplified by Joe Klein's 2006 Time magazine column. He called progressive Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., "an African American of a certain age and ideology, easily stereotyped" and "one of the ancient band of left-liberals who grew up in the angry hothouse of inner-city, racial-preference politics."

The Clintons are only too happy to navigate this ugly cultural topography. After a rare Obama attack on Hillary Clinton for supporting policies that eliminated jobs, Bill Clinton quickly likened Obama's campaign to Jackson's, and the Clinton campaign told the Associated Press Obama was "the black candidate." These were deliberate statements telling Obama that if he talks about class, they'll talk about race.

And so, as Marable says, Obama's pitch includes "no mention of the class struggle or class conflict." It is "hope" instead of an economic case, bromide instead of critique. The result is an oxymoronic dynamic.

Obama, the person who fought blue-collar joblessness in the shadows of shuttered factories, is winning wealthy enclaves. But Clinton, the person whose globalization policies helped shutter those factories, is winning blue-collar strongholds.

Obama, who was schooled by the same organizing networks as Cesar Chavez, is being endorsed by hedge fund managers. But Clinton, business's favorite, is being endorsed by the United Farm Workers - the union that Chavez created.

Obama, the candidate from Chicago's impoverished South Side, is finding support on Connecticut's gilded south coast. But Hillary Clinton, the candidate representing Big Money, is finding support from those with relatively little money.

As the campaign heads to the struggling Rust Belt under banners promising "change," this bizarre class war may end up guaranteeing no real transformation at all.

David Sirota is a bestselling author whose newest book, "The Uprising," will be released in June of 2008.

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi

Who is watching the voting machines?




QuasiPseudo wrote:

Just curious Moze, do you think that any to all of the elections since at least 2000 have been stolen/corrupted?

Moze replied:

I imagine that we've had stolen elections from the beginning of the American experiment, but I think 2000 was a banner year for the combination of technology and corruption when it comes to elections. That year we saw the traditional voter disenfranchisement mixed with blatant "voting irregularities", i.e. Diebold who've consistently promised to deliver elections. Katherine Harris is gone.. so is Jeb.

Somehow I rationalize it all by thinking that if we reach a certain, overwhelming percentage, we can beat the people who control the machines.

And that may be about as stupid as it gets.

Florida is out. I'm from Florida and I know how many soulless criminals live there. The ultimate justice would be if global warming sank the entire state and sent its residents scrambling like a bunch of insects upon the seas (except for my family who live there, of course). I got a kick out of the Democratic denial of their delegates. Seemed perfect.

You have a good point. Who is watching those machines? Everyone is partisan. And most people are fucking as ignorant as it gets when it comes to technology.

The question seems to be, are they going to be entirely stupid and skew things so far that people wonder wtf is going on .. oh, they've already done that.

I don't know. I think we need oversight. Who is in charge of that? Anyone? We can count of the current administration to always break the law. They've never done anything but. Who is watching the voting machines? Other than these guys, who just report on it: www.blackboxvoting.org/

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When SF goes for McCain, we're truly fuct.

Bird is going to vote for Hillary. I'm voting for Obama. I may very well go door to door tomorrow. I gathered signatures for Jerry Brown when I first moved to California a long time ago. Could be fun. I know they always annoy me when they knock on the door. Ah, why not...

people.tribe.net/58284f03-...5a16901380




2 Comments

QuasiPseudo


Mon, February 4, 2008 - 11:00 AM
Thanks for taking the time to comment, this election season's got me pretty irked to say the least.

Im not so interested in proving electoral corruption at this point, but what I am trying to understand is HOW the people who believe that our elections are corrupted think that anything will be different this time around. Did I miss something? The results must still be taken on faith, no? Is this the last hope that people are clinging to, that somehow the removal of this administration will change everything? When Hillary gets elected, will it be a huge triumph for the anti-Bush crowd? Remember who succeeded the last Bush? Someone just as corrupt & connected as who will succeed the next. The hand lowers, shoves itself up a new puppets ass, and raises again. All IMO, of course, but is there any further reason that I should have more faith than none, simply because it is a defeatist attitude?

Moze


Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:21 PM
Moze


Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:17 PM
this is interesting

mediamatters.org/items/200802060008

'During MSNBC's February 5 coverage of that day's primary contests, on a day in which Democratic turnout reportedly exceeded Republican by 75 percent, co-anchor Chris Matthews suggested that Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean should be concerned about the party's lack of broad appeal."

75%?

so.. suppose that many democrats vote, even in a fucktard state like Florida, and the election is still stolen. I can't believe the fascists would be able to steal that.

I hope I'm right. I think they want to avoid a revolution because if that happens they'll lose more than they will having to pay taxes for four year.

As criminal as they are, really, something like this, the last thing they want is a spot light on what they've done in the past.

I'm hoping that the shit they've done in the last 8 years will finally make our country say enough. Maybe make us use our power, because voting is power, and even if you have to have a 50 to 1 majority when voting, that's power.

It's entirely anti American what the Bush Fascists have done, but I really don't want to give up hope yet.

Democratic Debate Thursday




Thu, January 31, 2008 - 6:19 PM

Tonight's debate is awesome. Both Barack and Hillary are doing a great job. They're articulate, gracious, intelligent.

Man I can't wait to get rid of Bush. Both of these people will be able to stand up to either Romney or McCain. The Republicans already have their Clinton Hate / Lie machine ready to go. I think they'd have a harder time with Obama. Plus, well, Obama consistently tells it like it is. He's got an ability none of he others on either side have, to see the big picture and make a point that he isn't being led into. He isn't worried about taking a stand.

Both of them truly believe they can beat the Republicans and that's good. I'm a little concerned that the megalomaniac spoiler Ralph Nader is thinking about running again, however, I think he's largely irrelevant now..

Best quote of the night so far is from Hillary.

"It took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush and I think its going to take a Clinton to clean up after the second Bush."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/31/debate.main/